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Marreachy wrote:
Last time i checked raiding specs.......

Elitherun: Demonology
Jezzebelle: Demonology
Me: Destruction (I go demon during some trash)
Profane: Demonology
Terrok: Affliction
Tiamut: Affliction


Actually last time I asked her, Jezz was destro. Though I think that may have only been during our fights against Rotface. I can for sure tell you she was destro for last time we did those fights, I think she is demo for trash, and I can't say anything about other bosses.


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Post Re: Talent/Glyph/Spec/Rotation Discussion Thread
Elitherun wrote:
Marreachy wrote:
Last time i checked raiding specs.......

Elitherun: Demonology
Jezzebelle: Demonology
Me: Destruction (I go demon during some trash)
Profane: Demonology
Terrok: Affliction
Tiamut: Affliction


Actually last time I asked her, Jezz was destro. Though I think that may have only been during our fights against Rotface. I can for sure tell you she was destro for last time we did those fights, I think she is demo for trash, and I can't say anything about other bosses.


I haven't seen Jezz with an imp in forever. Last I knew she was enjoying the differences of Demon vs destro. And that's why I.......



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Don't forget the hunters and priests that are also bringing replenishment. Now that we're sporting a couple of shadow priests and a few survival hunters, there's a lot of people throwing around replenishment.

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Post Re: Talent/Glyph/Spec/Rotation Discussion Thread
I'd suggest that we have somewhere between 2-4 replenishment givers in every raid. I'm not sure what their uptime is though, and if 2 of those procced it half as often, I bet we'd miss that more than 2 people with 1% less crit. In fact, I think I'll only enjoy maximal enjoyment from Replenishment when I have the buff up 90+% of the time.

Just my opinion, though. And I'm known for being a but biased against strictly-personal-DPS decisions.

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Post Re: Talent/Glyph/Spec/Rotation Discussion Thread
Generally with replenishment specs (ret pallies, frost mages, etc etc) the uptime is around 90%. For mages, it's 100%, for destro...eh, it's pretty good. Priests are around 90%. But if you have just one class that's specced even partially (I think SV hunters only put a point or two in it) then you'll be hard pressed to find it not active on at least someone.


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WoW! had no idea I was even being discussed!

I was trying Demo out for a couple of months to give it a fair try. Just like I did Afflict. Pretty sure I'm just really a destro lock when all is said and done. I'll keep mr felguard around for some trash most likely.

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Post Re: Talent/Glyph/Spec/Rotation Discussion Thread
For the record, my Replenishment should be up near 100% of the time, as it queues off of Vampiric Touch, which is a DoT and therefore I recast when I see it's down or about to be, and Mind Blast, which is my heavy hitter spell I cast whenever it's off CD. As Replenishment lasts 15 secs and my CD is 6.5 (I think), it should be resetting so frequently as to never go down. If it's not resetting until it's gone, then there might be some downtime, but not much. When I solo it's up all the time when I'm using those spells.

I'm not sure how things would be different in a raid setting. For instance, if a frost mage puts it on a shaman, will my cast reset the timer or not? I'm thinking it probably doesn't, not to mention my Replenishment only hits up to 10 raid members, so in a 25-man, not everyone will benefit from my casting.

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Post Re: Talent/Glyph/Spec/Rotation Discussion Thread
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For the record, my Replenishment should be up near 100% of the time, as it queues off of Vampiric Touch, which is a DoT and therefore I recast when I see it's down or about to be, and Mind Blast, which is my heavy hitter spell I cast whenever it's off CD. As Replenishment lasts 15 secs and my CD is 6.5 (I think), it should be resetting so frequently as to never go down. If it's not resetting until it's gone, then there might be some downtime, but not much. When I solo it's up all the time when I'm using those spells.

I'm not sure how things would be different in a raid setting. For instance, if a frost mage puts it on a shaman, will my cast reset the timer or not? I'm thinking it probably doesn't, not to mention my Replenishment only hits up to 10 raid members, so in a 25-man, not everyone will benefit from my casting.


I'm not entirely sure how this works, but it should hit 10 people per proc, and the hit is based off of who needs the mana the most. I am not sure if it cares if the buff is already on that person, it'll refresh it anyway.

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Post Re: Talent/Glyph/Spec/Rotation Discussion Thread
I've never been able to find a concrete source of "who gets the buff" but regardless, you can parse logs to see how many people have it how often. My anecdotal log-parses appear to show me that even with 4 people bringing replensihment, there's still a lot of individual downtime among people.

As far as my opinion on whether Destro locks should take it or not, it comes down to this: the personal DPS difference between Full-Destro with Replenishment, and Full-Destro without processes in SimCraft out to ~2dps with BiS ToCr gear, and ~162dps with BiS ICC gear. That is a 0-1% increase in personal DPS at the cost of a buff that might be useful to people. Even if it's not particularly useful some of the time, there will always be the point where the spriest goes down and the hunter wasn't available, where that buff allows a healer to get 5 more heals off on the tank at 4% on Rotface.

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Post Re: Talent/Glyph/Spec/Rotation Discussion Thread
Well but this is raid wide and not applicable on a 1 v 1 situation imo.

IMO, replenishment is one of the low end raid wide buffs....I'd rather see the focus be on the more important ones....but anyway...I have 1 point in ISL which = 50% chance of 1% max mana per 5 seconds instead of a 100% chance of 2% max mana per 5....I'm not aware of mana regen being the issue or being in the top 10 of issues hindering our progression into ICC.


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